The Sides Are Being Drawn for the 2nd American Civil War



By Dave Hodges

Since the revelations regarding the intrusiveness and the scope of Jade Helm, many now believe that this country is plunging head first into a state of revolution/civil war.

The Case for Civil War

How many of you believe that a planned currency collapse coupled with the implementation of a brutal martial law and gun confiscation will be the trigger events which will incite the coming revolution? This remains the leading candidate for the unfolding of a civil war. On May 24th, I interviewed Stewart Rhodes of Oathkeepers, and he believes that an economic collapse will set off the conflict and he also believes, as I do, that ISIS will wreak havoc in this country the midst of the chaos caused by the failure of the dollar. We both believe that under the cover of this chaos, we will see political dissidents extracted as per the intent of the Jade Helm exercise. It will be at this point, that the sides will be definitively drawn in the upcoming conflict.

Many of us in the Independent Media believe that this is the likely scenario that will very soon turn this country into the most dangerous country on the face of the earth. It might behoove us to look a little closer at the nature of revolution in order to predict where all of this is likely headed. Although I personally oppose the use of violence as a political tool, in the present political climate, I see no way to stem the tide of unthinkable brutality and violence which seems imminent. It is in this mindset that I set about to research the topic of revolution and this series of articles reflects the results of the research. And as a result of past and common patterns of revolution, it appears as if a clear picture is beginning to emerge and whether, or not, we choose to admit where Jade Helm will take us, the government is already practicing for what appears to be likely.

In an email from a forced Lt. General retiree, courtesy of President Obama, he provided some clues on where he believes the coming conflict is headed.

“…With modern antiaircraft systems (mobile and man portable) air power will be all but useless. What we will see is a ground war, city by city, street by street. Additionally what is coming will be unlike any civil war in history, it will be very personal, the government will call the Patriots forces terrorists and traitors, they will arrest, intern, torture and murder suspected terrorists families, this will result in bloody reprisals which will start a vicious cycle lasting for years”.

What kind of conflict is being described here? In order to answer that question, we must first examine the “Four levels of warfare”.

Four Levels of Warfare

Most military strategists identify four levels of conflict; (1) nuclear war is the trump card of all conflict; (2) conventional warfare; (3) guerrilla warfare; and, (4) terrorism.

It is safe to say that if our country does indeed descend into revolution, nuclear war will not come into play, for if it did, there would be nothing to rule over in the aftermath.

The United States has already witnessed civil war of a conventional nature. In the 1860’s as two mighty armies of that era locked horns in what proved to be the conflict in which America suffered her greatest loss of life. In the Civil War, both sides had equivalent weaponry and as a result, employed conventional tactics.

Initially, the coming civil war could very well consist of one American unit facing off against another as we saw in the civil war. However, the losing side would quickly resort to the use of guerrilla warfare tactics.

At the present time and given the disparity of technology and resources between the people the globalist controlled forces of the government, a conventional war would prove to be a disaster for the rebel forces. The likely mode of the revolutionary war conflict facing the people of the United States is that it will consist of either guerrilla warfare or terrorism.

Guerrilla Warfare Or Terrorism?

Terrorism is the least preferred option by any insurgent group. With terrorism, there is absolutely no hope of final victory because territory is never occupied. For that reason, nobody aspires to engage in terrorism if they have a viable alternative and the American people do have a choice given how well armed we are. However, terrorism arising out of a defeated guerrilla force is a distinct possibility as it would represent American guerrilla’s fallback position should they be defeated. Subsequently, does the MIAC Report which labeled Libertarians, Constitutionalists, Second Amendment Supporters, Ron Paul Supporters, Veterans and now Christians as domestic terrorists, make a little more sense as to why DHS made these bold proclamations? DHS understands and has demonstrated their understanding of these facts and has also prepared for what I just wrote about in the previous paragraph.

The Veterans Administration estimates that there are approximately 21.5 million veterans living in the United States. We also live in a country with over 300 million privately owned guns. These combined factors point clearly to a guerrilla war being the preferred and necessary mode of combat which will likely be visited upon this country.

What Is Guerrilla Warfare?

Guerrilla warfare, for most of human history, is not new. Tribal war, which traditionally pits one guerrilla force against another, is the oldest form of warfare. The new “conventional” form of warfare, which pits guerrillas against “conventional” forces, is more recent as it arose in Mesopotamia 5,000 years ago.

The good news for future American freedom fighters is that guerrilla war has been getting more successful since 1945, but unfortunately guerrilla fighters still lose most of the time. An analysis of past conflicts featuring guerrilla war, reveals that only 25% of guerrilla forces, out of 443 such conflicts since 1775, were successful. The government prevailed almost 64% of the time with the remainder of the conflicts ended in a stalemate. Conversely, since the end of WWII, the percentage of success for guerrilla forces has indeed gone up to 39.6%. Yet that still means that government forces have continued to prevail 51% of the time. When the American people engage in a guerrilla war in the upcoming years, the people have less than a 40% chance of success. However, if some retired military leadership estimates are correct, a sizeable number of U.S. troops will join the American people, this will greatly enhance the chances of success.

Length of Guerrilla Wars

Guerrilla wars are rarely short and as a result do not favor the American culture and our collective psyche of instant gratification. When Americans flip the switch on the wall, we expect the light to come on. Will Americans set aside their entitlements as well as their entrenched soft lifestyle and rise to the occasion? Only time will tell.

The Vietnamese culture with an external locus of control predominating the people where the group is more important than the individual is the perfect mindset for guerrilla fighters. This could prove to be the American rebels biggest challenge because guerrilla warfare is not something that one does like driving over a speed bump. It is a way of life, a very hard way of life filled with misery, extreme sacrifice and unspeakable losses.

For my money, the best guerrilla fighters in the modern era were the Viet Cong in which Vietnamese people were involved in some form of guerrilla war from 1942-1975. After the Americans invaded Vietnam, the forces in the north had a saying, “born in the north, to die in the south.” There were nearly two generations of Vietnamese people in which war was an unavoidable part of life. What General Westmoreland and LBJ failed to recognize was that in order to defeat and totally subdue the Vietnamese people, the Americans would have had to have engaged in unspeakable genocide. Despite the fact that the US won every single battle of the war, the Vietnamese rebels were never going to give up. Do we Americans have that same tenacity to persevere like the Vietnamese?

Prior to WWII, guerrilla wars lasted an average of seven years. Following WWII, guerrilla conflicts lasted an average of 10 years. Will Americans embrace the tenets and sacrifices of guerrilla war and can it ever become a way of life? For this to happen, I believe that conditions would have to be unspeakably horrendous for America to embrace a conflict under these conditions. I think that things would have to be so bad, so completely genocidal, that fighting and dying would be the only viable alternative for America in order to embrace guerrilla warfare as a way of life. What I am saying here is that we are a very soft people. However, Jade Helm with the use of Special Operations Forces designed to extract “Red Listed” political dissidents, could push many Americans over the top.

How Close Is the Inevitable Conflict?

Successful guerrilla leaders such as Lawrence of Arabia, Mao, Castro and Giap all concur that there are three phases of any guerrilla war. However, before the phases can unfold there are two preconditions which must be met.

The first condition which is a prerequisite for guerrilla war, is based upon the fact that there has to be a decisive battle for the belief systems of the people as a whole. The globalists have invested billions of dollars in order to dominate the mainstream media. On the other side is the Independent Media. Both sides are vying for control of the belief systems of the country. Winning the hearts and minds of the people is critical to success. The Viet Cong understood this principle and the winner of the coming conflict is likely to be the one that can apply this lesson of history to modern times.

There are two very distinct ideologies playing out today in the court of public opinion. On one hand, the future rebels are adept at exposing the loss of national sovereignty and civil liberties every chance they get. Conversely, the globalist dominated media is spending billions of dollars to convince the masses that there is no such thing as a conspiracy theory and despite some governmental incompetence, the government loves and protects its people. And the globalists are being somewhat effective. Have you ever noticed that when you are describing a globalist inspired conspiracy such as what happened at Benghazi, and no matter how well documented your position is, that your audience frequently responds with the globalist-created mantra “You must be one of these conspiracy theorists?” Our facts are rarely attacked because they are accurate, but the idea of the existence of any kind of conspiracy is what is challenged. This kind of programming coming from the media is brilliant and effective. Who is winning this war of words? The jury is still out, but the unmistakable conclusion is that the ideological battle lines for the upcoming conflict have clearly been drawn.

The globalists sell the sheep on the notion that we have to control you to protect you (from a threat of our creation), and the other side is saying “we will take our chances, give us freedom.”

The second precondition which must be met prior to descending into guerrilla war consists of both sides engaging in an arms race. In response to the Obama administration’s threat of seizing our guns for the false flag events of the Aurora Batman massacre and Sandy Hook, Americans went on a gun-buying frenzy which continues to this day. DHS has engaged in their own arms buildup as they have purchased 2.2 billion rounds of ammunition to go with 2700 new armored personnel carriers and that is not all. The federal government has invested in 30,000 drones, super soldier robots and intelligence gathering techniques which are mind-blowing.

In summary, the American people and their government have engaged in an arms race very similar in nature to two rival countries preparing to go to war.


The preconditions for armed conflict and the likelihood that the conflict will be guerrilla is very likely, but whether the American people would tolerate total enslavement in lieu of rebellion is very much in doubt.

Emerging from the discussion in the next part in this series is the discovery of the fact that there are three overlapping phases to guerrilla war and it will be a shocking surprise to all of us as to how far along this country is in relation to these three phases. All that is needed is the right trigger event (i.e. Jade Helm extractions) and that will be discussed in the next part as well.

  • Michael Shanks

    I can say that i highly doubt there will ever be a 2nd American Civil War because the U.S. cannot afford another one. However if it does ever happen to occur, I will leave this country for I will not take a side and kill my own countrymen. But if the flights are all grounded and all the shipyards are closed off, then I will take the long way cause I will still find a way and if I am forced into a fight, I will take on both sides (just to stay alive) and fight my way out. But I pray that never comes.

  • Thomas Moloian

    ameirca needs a 2nd civil war to permanently end liberal retard party

  • Arthur Ralph Kerr

    Being that most people support Donald Trump that would mean finding the evil pushed by Soros and taking them out. The far left has lost its mind and the vets are still upset that the sell outs such as Hillary Clinton got away with what she did. Payback time if it ever came down to it.What side would the vets be on , The Trump side , the side where people trying to bring back jobs and get our people out of poverty is the right side the side where the united states steel is made in the country again , open up those closed down plants put those people back to work. Space travel and the list goes on and on. Fix health care for heavens sake and the over priced insurance people feeding off the sick and the dying needs to go away or be looked at very close. Civil war means the people have to wake the hell up and be a part of the solution because risking life and limb for no reason what so ever makes no sense. Allowing terrorist into the country to cause chaos makes no sense but people want that to take place. Wake up or be woke up pretty simple.

  • BD

    I am more interested in the potential
    Conflict between conservatives
    And liberals. There seems
    To be swelling and serious tension between ideology among the people. Will there be a
    3 party conflict? Will Conservatives or liberals join with government? It is time to take back America from the perversion it has

  • Craig

    What a load…an “independent media” is a true fraud. As has been seen, the media is a part of the democrat party and supports the muslim terrorists, the socialists and the Communist Party USA. Try reading the bottoms of those professionally printed signs to see who is paying for all the uprisings and turmoil and you will see the Communist Party USA, the Socialist Workers Party and their affiliates. All it takes is for people to open their eyes and stop acting like brainwashed liberal morons. Now, we find out that the White House and the Clinton campaign are behind paying for the troublemakers a Trump rallies. THAT is criminal, yet with a rat obama presidency and a socialist America in the balance, don’t expect to see the FBI or anyone else to look into this, so YOU will have to grow a pair and do it your self.
    Unvetted muslims pouring into the U.S., illegal aliens pouring across the southern and northern borders and ALL of them getting a free ride from the socialist democrats and the gutless establishment republicans. Out veterans are dying waiting to see a VA doctor, but an illegal alien goes to the head of the line and gets the very best care. A Civil War is a must if this garbage keeps up. In the united States, shooting tyrannical politicians is part of our Rights as Americans. We don’t tolerate tyrants.

  • Vincent P P

    i do not want a civil war and will not fight in one,yet i must speak the danger is very very great ,it will not only be gurrilas fighting but when us troops see thier families destroyed jailed,there will be a massive military revolt they will join the people,the people and thier military will then deal with the oppressive forces,as a christian as an ex far seer in us goverment, now a student of bible phrophcy, i know that american people will allways call the shots for good or bad, to my current goverment i beg yes beg you not to commit suicide by insiting a revolt,you will horribly lose with a large loss of life by all parties in christ jesus name i warn you

    • Franklewank65

      “If ye love wealth better than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, go home from us in peace. We ask not your counsels or arms. Crouch down and lick the hands which feed you. May your chains set lightly upon you, and may posterity forget that ye were our countrymen.”
      ― Samuel Adams

  • Miro23

    “All that is needed is the right trigger event …”

    History shows that when the activist Left is challenged it quickly resorts to violence
    (basic blueprint being Lenin /Trotsky smashing Constitutional Russia and quickly murdering their opponents when they saw that they couldn’t gain power democratically), and it has
    happened repeatedly:

    – Germany (Berlin 1919): Strike & Spartacist Uprising. “Dictatorship of the Proletariat” and armed attack on opponents. Revolutionary Committee. Parallel government and attempt
    to subvert state military regiments. Liebknecht & Luxemburg. Failed in street gun battles.

    – Germany (Munich 1919): German Soviet Revolutionary Dictatorship.”Workers and Soldiers Council”. Declaration of a parallel government. Eugen Levine. Failed in street gun battles.

    – Hungary (Budapest 1919): Hungarian Soviet Republic. “Council (Soviet) of Soldiers, Workers and Peasants”. Parallel government and took absolute power through violence. Launched the “Red Terror”. Bela Kuhn. Failed the same year.

    – Spain (Madrid 1936): Activists supporting the revolutionary committee headed by Alcalá Zamora (provisional government) murder the leading parliamentary Monarchist and Conservative José Calvo-Sotelo, igniting the Spanish Civil War. Until this point the military (particularly Franco) did not want to intervene.

    So the prediction for the US is that too much push back from Trump will be met with direct violence from the Left. The US is just as politically polarized a Spain in 1936 and may well descend into Civil War in just the same way.

  • S. Bee

    The modern world is based upon remote forms of authoritative information producing a virtual sense of extended community. The most dangerous aspect of which being that local communities have long ago abandoned the notion of active participation with their neighbors in a local ground level sense of community. Many people exist in the ‘safe harbor’ of their own little bunny hutches. When the Internet gets cut off, will it be an government inspired exercise or the real thing. No one will know until the malestrom reaches their own version of the “gates of Vienna!”

    • V Tiffany Seidel

      So true. That’s why obama took over the Internet. ‘Net Neutrality’ is basically ObamaNet similar to obamacare where the gov’t has full control over the decision of our healthcare and whether they chose to let you live or die by either providing lifesaving treatment or deny you that lifesaving care. In addition to gov’t control with ObamaNet, the government can control the opposition, dissidents, truth tellers, whistleblowers, conservatives or anyone they deem as the enemy.

  • Panamajax

    I’m a U.S. citizen that has been watching from outside the country for years and years now. This is just a hypothetical question, remember that, but where I am I happen to know the President and know lots of all kinds of military people. The current government, long ago took back the country from gangsters much like those ruling you now in a long bloody fight and you’d definitely want to practice some, first. Suppose it could be set up that some old guerrillas, who are now running the well equipped military, would be interested in chasing some tyros around, thinking it’d be a turkey shoot. And in one far corner of the country there’s a small number of real live guerrillas who never got over losing the first time, and suppose you felt like real live or die practice, it could surely be arranged, with the advantage of more realism, but the disadvantage of possibly getting killed. You’d probably be better armed with RPGs, Claymores……and whatever you’d be willing to pay for. Think that’d go over as a vacation ‘adventure’? It comes to mind cause watching it all from outside in what the other 96 percent of humanity call ‘reality’. And if it’s true that ”The fish rots from the head down”, then I’m almost positive you’re never going to ‘vote’ yourself out of the trouble you’re in. Refer to ‘Smith Mundt Act’ and it’s repeal, and you’ll see that the ‘MSM’ now can all get sent govt. scripts and feed you 100 percent bullshit, all of em, all the time and swear together on their mamas grave that it’s all true. And they are, and now the IRS, EPA, BLM and even the friggin Post Office are all fitted out with ‘assault rifles’ with two billion rounds of illegal in war hollow point bullets, and they’re passing around govt. publications like FM3-39.40 and ATP3-39.33. give them a look see, check out some DHS targets they’re giving to local law (if I can put one or two into this rant), and if you have any ideas or opinions on my opinion, I’d like to hear em. And remember what that guy that ‘drowned’ in his canoe said, shortly before his odd departure from Earth……….

    We’ll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false.” And that comes directly from the mouth of the CIA director, Bill Casey, in 1981.

    • V Tiffany Seidel

      Hey Panama, you said you know the president. So, how well do you know obama and is he a muslim or just a muslim sympathizer?

      • Panamajax

        You mean Barry from Honolulu? If you consider him the ”president”, you missed my meaning. I’m talking about the President who led the fight against U.S. ”Freedom Fighters” who came into villages at night and murdered entire families with machetes, set the house on fire and ran….leaving lots of ‘Made in the U.S.A.” Claymore mines for pursuing people to run into. During the day time they stuck mostly to clinics, markets and schools. But aside from that, my guess is that Barry is either an atheist or maybe thinks he’s ‘god’. But I don’t know anything about him other than his clear sociopath ”personality”. But if you’re planning on leaving the States before the hammer comes down, would it be too much trouble to ask you to hang him on your way out of Dodge? It’d at least make returning more palatable.

  • Mike_Travis

    The enemy is already at war with us and have been for decades. It is just that their tactics have changed as they sense the people are beginning to awaken to the treason of their own elected serpents. If they become desperate, such as after a collapse, they will unleash hell to maintain control.

    We should all pray that God will intervene on our behalf as He did with our Founders’ generation. In the meantime, we must also prepare as if our very lives AND the lives of our descendants depend on it, for they do.

  • Paul

    WHO is going to suffer the most in a civil war ? the poor, and then the rest will be targets liberals. minorities, illegals, criminals and then some will settle grudges

    • 1776Patriot

      Liberals are the biggest agitators of the times here in the states! Always wanting bigger government!

  • baldy522

    When will the next part be out, or has it already been released and has a different title?

  • disqus_g3B3X691b7

    Unfortunately accurate and with the amount of available weapons, soon to be bloody.III% all the way!

  • Angl0sax0nknight .

    Every politician and his/her family would be come the prime targets if they fought against the citizens. The new world order/agenda 21 facists must be completely wiped from the face of the earth by what ever means necessary! The Constitution and the Bill of Rights will be reinstated as the Rule of Law and all Supreme Court decisions post 1860 would be null and void!!

  • nerevar59

    NATO needs to stay out of the US.

    • EuropeanGuy

      Too late !! UNO troops might be in the US already ! Good luck you might need it bro.


    If Clinton is elected —————- I AM FOR A CIVIL WAR!

    • Lizard

      I have back side covered,, I refuse let anyone take my wife and children from me and place in Fema.. Bottom line, Yes i will fight to end

    • Bz

      Here here

    • Kristopher Simmons

      Yes, then it is really gonna go down.

    • Thomas Moloian

      well you know now she lost big time and is starting up an anti-trump movement which she thinks she is going to overthrow trump white house which will put her in federal prison for life and dissolve the fucking liberal retard moron party

  • Justan American

    The late historian Stephen Ambrose was
    being interviewed toward the end of his life by a reporter from the
    Times-Picayune. One of the subjects was the Civil War and its
    aftermath. The reporter asked him if he thought there was a
    possibility of the United States ever being torn part by another
    civil war. His answer was yes. He said whenever this country would
    elect as President a black man. He said this one mans tenure as
    President would be so divisive that civil war will be inevitable.
    Stephen Ambrose died in 2002.

    • Paul

      not so much as a black man but a crooked man, a traitor to the American people

      • Bz

        An islamist dictator wannabee

      • Kristopher Simmons

        or women (crooked Hillary)

  • Angl0sax0nknight .

    the problem I see in the coming confict is infiltration. The FBI has a good track record of infiltration and with the NSA able to monitor just about any electronic communication. Over coming this is a major goal.

    • 1776Patriot

      Time to take a hammer to electronics when things go south!

  • Dr Lopez

    Fighting for freedom and fighting for money are two different things. Fighting for one’s constitutional freedom’s is a powerful force. Fighting just for money has it’s psychological limitations. This Achilles heel along with a divided military only enhances American citizens loyal to our true principles a strategic and tactical advantage. The deterioration of moral,ethical and family values which have been targeted by this president and his thugs make the likely hood of civil war a very real possibility. Veteran’s,people of faith have had enough of these tyrants. The outcome will not be in favor of this nor any other government that thinks by creating bullies and military prostitutes will provide a winning strategy. The far left will be shocked into submission when they discover their twisted ideologies are an a illusion created by their delusional mindset.

  • Malcolm Jackson

    Could be the same thing happening here in the UK. Since we handed our country over to the EU our govt no longer represents us. People are talking of ousting our treacherous governments by force. The EU has destroyed democracy so we will be fighting for our freedom against the Islamic invasion of our lands. Nato is highly suspect and seen as a weapon of Islam.

    • Michael Highers

      UK Independence day JUNE 23rd! Congratulations

    • 1776Patriot

      I hope you folks do the right thing and deport everyone of those terrorist sons of bithches!

      • Kristopher Simmons

        Hate them so much.

        • 1776Patriot

          Not ate. I just see the REALITY of it. I don’t live in a fantasy land where everyone is a good person. These people are bad people. They are cowardly men that left their wives and children to the mercy of the war. They are scumbags that get in a host country and make demands and rape the host countries women. Get over your self righteousness.

      • LTC. Bill Kilgore

        Deport em with a rope.

    • Ashley

      I live in the United States. Yet the Second Civil War in this country will have racial conflict, and religion issues. The upcoming war is something that none my generation has ever seen, yet it will be far more bloodshed compared to our first civil war. I already know that their will be severe racial conflict among people who are white and African Americans as well as other people. However a number things involved with America’s failing government and political practices will also link it Civil War 2. I am trying to think a place to flee toward and America’s Second upcoming civil war. It might have to be Canada or deeper in the lost mountains of wilderness somewhere to really find escape.

    • Ashley

      People in America have forgotten what In God We Trust really is. In God We Trust is a national treasure and I am a descendant or compliment of the National Treasure as this old world passes away. Revelation 21:1-5.

  • Howlingmad

    The statements made here, are “Completely Valid” . . . the “Known Factor” is, the level of “Organization” . . . the more “Structured” the resistance, the more “Difficult’ it will be to destroy. There are a considerable number of such groups “Today”, an their number is GROWING !. They are our “Ace in the Hole” . . . an I’m “One of Them” !

  • Christi Newberry Painter

    Bork said there would be a war, and C’s with Bork.

    • V Tiffany Seidel

      Who is Bork? Is ( C’s ) clinton?

      • Christi Newberry Painter

        Sorry… Just caught this. Bork would have been our best judge, and they blocked him. Check it out! Bork had lots of insight concerning what was ahead. C=Me. lol

  • Patrick Holt

    You seem to be talking about two different kinds of conservative counter-revolution fighting over who gets to wield neo-feudal absolute power. To have a revolutionary war for a programme of change, there has to be a strong ideological will coming from at least a substantial minority who have been getting more and more frustrated and outraged over time, and whose ideals and desires have been coming into focus through that period of rising outrage into some coherence towards a programme. Otherwise you have nothing to organise around, and nothing to fight for apart from saying “no” to something else. For people to take up arms and organise to fight, they have to know what they are fighting for, unlike those already in the military and police forces who don’t need a mobilising ideology because they are already enrolled and trained to fight, essentially, to maintain the status quo from threats “to America” or “to law and order”, both meaning the same: keep things as they are. The other thing you seem to be ignoring is the Christian left and Christian liberal tradition of ideological non-violent revolutionary organisation. Non-violence can be devastatingly effective, politically, up and including the overthrow of colonial occupation in the case of India (and for the record, in case you don’t know, Gandhi was a disciple of the non-violence of Jesus Christ as explained by Leo Tolstoy in his “The Kingdom of God is Within You”.) They have the ideological readiness and the experience in mobilising civilians, and the “war-aim” that is necessary, which is to remove the gun from politics, given that what you are warning about is the over-arming of the state against its own people and the reciprocal over-arming of the public, which as yet has no coherent or organised purpose. They also have a positive agenda for re-democratisation and anti-globalisation within the Occupy movement as well as the traditional Christian left which is explicitly anti-plutocratic (e.g. the present Pope.) You appear to be imagining a political future in which no political forces exist other than the armed forces, information gathering and repressive apparatus of the state confronted by the militias and other irregular paramilitary societies like the Klan. That isn’t the whole picture, and if it were, then there could only be nasty outcomes, of one militarism fighting another for dictatorship, both in the name of America and Freedom (rather like in the civil wars that ended the Roman republic.) While civil war in the event of catastrophic economic breakdown is always possible, everything does not have to come down to armed violence. Part of the prevailing ideological propaganda is obsession with guns and the military, both resulting from the hectic expansion of the military-industrial complex (which includes the NRA as part of its marketing system) since Republican president Eisenhower first warned about it. That obsession is a symptom of what is wrong and not a solution. If you are imagining a revolutionary civil war, then you are imagining the possibility of huge change. That change could include universal free healthcare, like the rest of the first world has. It could also include a society in which not only the too-big-to-fail banks have been broken up and made small, but also the too-big-not-to-dominate-politcs military-industrial complex has been made tiny and guns have been made scarce and begin to be treated as deadly weapons and as a corrupting vice as ugly as heroin.

    • Pax Humana

      I call shenanigans on all of your comments and pacifism is against the Holy Scriptures, plus pacifists are also, ironically enough, the biggest warmongers in human history. One only needs to look at people like Pontius Pilate and a vast majority of criminal empire leaders to know that they are capable of getting their underlings to do the dirty work that they lack the courage to do in their lives.

    • Gary Mathis

      “Free” healthcare. LOL. Pacifists will be swept away.

    • Dr Lopez

      Although you have expressed yourself with passion and clearly you are very intelligent I must disagree with you . Specifically, your labeling of the Christian left. The Christian left or right is neither non violent nor are they lacking backbone. Silence is not a sign of cowardice. Furthermore,the demonizing of Christians, not Catholics who have been controlled by church dogma, do not realize that the bible is very clear when it comes to the defence for one’s self and family. Lastly,your believe that those against this government and the new world order must be a unfocused minority are sadly mistaken. On a global scale the oppressed far outnumber the globalist and they have had enough. My friend, your opinion is respected,but is highly skewed by the media and other unrealistic influences.